tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406319356659344188.post604512827981346993..comments2024-02-26T08:43:47.488-08:00Comments on Domesticated: My Reaction and Analysis of Lisa Ladouceur's 40 Years of Goth Style VideoThe HouseCathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07783576090040274742noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406319356659344188.post-91980353868214949542016-08-02T04:26:26.900-07:002016-08-02T04:26:26.900-07:00In terms of aesthetic, I think there's certain...In terms of aesthetic, I think there's certainly cross over with Emo and Metal, and they are also subcultures that appreciate the macabre; I would say that Emo is more inward, about one's personal darkness, as the name suggests, and that while certain genres of metal certainly have overlap in thematic material to that of some Goth songs, there's also significant difference, plus musically, they are often very different sounds. However, I think there is an undercurrent of Romanticism in Goth - not just in those that express that through dressing as a Romantic Goth - that sets it apart from the other three major musically-centred dark alternative subcultures. I know there's a lot of overlap in who takes part; I know plenty of people who love Black Sabbath as much as they love Bauhaus, or Cradle of Filth as well as Clan of Xymox. Industrial is probably more closely tied to Goth in terms of participation. <br /><br />When it comes to the Gothic architecture, Gothic novels and Gothic Revival stuff from the Victorian era, appreciating them is certainly part of the subculture, and deliberately reviving that aesthetic in a deliberately macabre manner is part of the subculture, but the original material we draw inspiration from is part of the European (and, for the later things like Gothic Revival architecture and design, more globally as it spread through the colonies and through Christianity). The HouseCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07783576090040274742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406319356659344188.post-7147189224892056552016-07-31T12:06:35.588-07:002016-07-31T12:06:35.588-07:00I first saw the video on Facebook and, while it wa...I first saw the video on Facebook and, while it was cool to watch, I couldn't really relate to any of it. The punk link I got as that's an era I like a lot (Siouxsie, Bauhaus, Joy Division, Dave Vanian) but beyond that I would agree with you that it's not a linear subculture. I also don't see much link with emo or metal other than in a visual sense and that's not how I see goth. I think it's far more than just a fashion and a look, I love the literature, music, décor and architecture. Kitkathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17556485243215019998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406319356659344188.post-88388059745579890542016-07-27T06:55:15.431-07:002016-07-27T06:55:15.431-07:00I agree- they're related, but different subcul...I agree- they're related, but different subcultures. The HouseCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07783576090040274742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406319356659344188.post-4708267140642307452016-07-26T08:06:27.901-07:002016-07-26T08:06:27.901-07:00I saw this video a while back. I thought it was ok...I saw this video a while back. I thought it was okay, but nothing special. I didn't particularly like how they promoted steam punk as a form of goth; it's not, even though some goths are into steam punk. Nightwindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07148270720593016700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406319356659344188.post-70206922239766376882016-07-24T05:11:48.302-07:002016-07-24T05:11:48.302-07:00The Lolita outfit looked basic - not very detailed...The Lolita outfit looked basic - not very detailed, but the dress was fine - but the wig and make-up ruined it and made it look like a costume. The accessorising for it seemed too minimal. I understand that a one piece dress is simpler than matching a 'jumper skirt ' (pinafore dress) with a blouse, or a skirt with a blouse, but it still needs accessorising properly, and this seemed to miss that. Lolita is very much about balance, harmony and detail in an outfit, and the one presented seemed disjointed - I'd have added some cheap Bodyline ruffled socks and wrist cuffs - whichever ones they have that have reasonable lace and come in black and match, to make the leg wear and wrists more interesting without being too fancy as I think they were going for an older Mana inspired sort of thing. I think perhaps the petticoat was flashed in order to emphasise that there is one, but if that was the plan, I'd have chosen a black one with lace edging, and also had the model wear bloomers. The bow in the wig didn't match the outfit, either, and I felt she could have done with some hair clips, or maybe an old-school rectangle headdress with a straight wig and fringe... I'm going into full con-crit mode! <br /><br />I think the Romantic Goth outfit partially suffered from bad lighting. There were details on the dress I could only just make out, and it did make the velvet look a bit cheap, but I think the most costume-y thing was the wig; it looked like someone had cut a V-fringe into a Hallow'en wig. I also felt like there was a lack of accessories and details. I'm a Romantic Goth and I'm always dripping in jewellery. <br /><br />I think part of the problem may be that they tried to buy the outfit instead of borrow them. The Lolita outfit, especially, strikes me as on a par with my first Lolita outfits when I was still accumulating a wardrobe of Lolita things and didn't have enough matching and quality things to put together a good outfit. However, when I've seen non-Lolita people dressed in Lolita by their more experienced Lolita friends, they often look a lot more polished simply because they've immediately had access to a complete outfit, with accessories. The same with Romantic Goth; if I found another tall UK size 10/12 lady, I could quite easily lend them an entire outfit, accessories and all, and dress them up as an instant Romantic Goth. The more recent styles of Romantic Goth often include matching garment sets, the way historical outfits did, so it would then be a case of just accessorising them properly. The HouseCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07783576090040274742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406319356659344188.post-46370261206908570602016-07-24T04:31:35.488-07:002016-07-24T04:31:35.488-07:00Very constructive critic of yours! I did enjoy qui...Very constructive critic of yours! I did enjoy quite a lot reading it. <br />However, I must admit I personally hated the video. As you mentioned, some of the looks were very halloweenish (and not in a good way). I specially disliked the Lolita and Romantic Goth recreations, as I consider both styles to be more about detail and delicate fabrics, and people wearing them work truly hard in making their outfits smart. <br /><br />I think people behind this project should have tried a bit harder, and spend some money on making an accurate representation. Also, they could have simply look for dark fellows to advice them a bit. My general impression is they tried, but just scratched a bit of the story...Violette B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07316660449899433403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406319356659344188.post-29024797851327284632016-07-23T14:52:15.137-07:002016-07-23T14:52:15.137-07:00I know that Liisa definitely DOES know her stuff, ...I know that Liisa definitely DOES know her stuff, but that the execution was limited - probably by resources. This is the sort of thing I'd love to see crowd-funded so it can be done more broadly and accurate. <br /><br />It is going to take a while to do my own take; it requires a lot of research, even for someone who has lived through 15 years of it as an active member. The HouseCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07783576090040274742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406319356659344188.post-5569383933256793372016-07-23T14:49:35.515-07:002016-07-23T14:49:35.515-07:00I think it's good that somebody's actually...I think it's good that somebody's actually even tried - definitely! Goth history is something that seems pretty murky to me, especially from the latter half of the '80s to the '00s - and I was alive during those years! I'd love some more bloggers and vloggers to take on the history and memoirs of the subculture - I know Angela Benedict on YouTube's been tackling that. <br /><br />A Victorian Goth instead of a Steampunk would have been amazing - could have had a very Medieval/fantasy Romantic Goth and a corseted Victorian Goth with bustle-skirt and high-necked blouses. It would have been a good show of how Romantic Goth had evolved into different sub-styles, too.The HouseCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07783576090040274742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406319356659344188.post-4187203367529625172016-07-23T14:11:56.968-07:002016-07-23T14:11:56.968-07:00The first 80s look or punk rock look was pretty cl...The first 80s look or punk rock look was pretty close. But we would have torn those stockings, added multiple studded belts, and the jacket would have tons of band pins. I was disappointed there wasn't a nice Victorian goth. I think it should have been represented instead of steampunk. But I know Liisa and she knows her stuff. I think she did the best she could with what she had on hand. Kuddos to her for even taking it on. :)Mary Mourninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07591017410886827287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406319356659344188.post-66405853481447101152016-07-23T11:19:49.685-07:002016-07-23T11:19:49.685-07:00I think you critique is fair assessment of the vid...I think you critique is fair assessment of the video. I personally felt the video should have been executed better. It came across as though the people who'd organised it had to knowledge of Goth or the alternative community. As you stated, they were being far linear and wanted to create the 100 years of fashion. Again as you stated, the evolution of goth is far from straight forward. I look forward to you post and personal take on Goth. Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05306376518336141023noreply@blogger.com